Do you think the king's "justice" system is fair? Why or Why not? Make sure you include information from the text to support your opinion.
 


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Michael
10/07/2013 16:12

I believe that the kings justice system is fair and not fair at the same time. For one thing the criminal is given a completely fair chance of death or marriage. If he chose the tiger he would have been punished and devoured. Choosing the maiden would clear his name and lead him to a bride. However if the criminal had perhaps killed a man and chosen the maiden, would he have changed or would he murder again. If a robber was released with his bride would he go back to robbing

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Nilusha
10/07/2013 16:49

I agree that the king's justice system doesn't really punish the guilty or prove innocence. If a guilty person chooses the door with the lady just by chance, then they can go free. No one will further question his innocence. There is the chance that the person has learned his lesson and won't do bad things again, but this system isn't fair because he wasn't punished for whatever he did.

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Nilusha
10/07/2013 16:42

I don't think the king's justice system is fair at all. It's all a matter of chance. The door that the accused person chooses doesn't actually prove their innocence or guilt. An innocent person could choose the door with the tiger and be eaten, and a guilty person could choose the door with the lady and go free. This system isn't fair or accurate. The accused person doesn't have a chance to prove his innocence, and the trial is a matter of life and death.

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Audrey
10/07/2013 18:33

I agree that the system is a matter of chance. The men accused cannot prove neither their guilt or innocence because their fates are all determined by chance. Like everyone has said, the innocent man could end eaten by the tiger and the guilty man, who could possibly be a killer, could marry a lady he ends up killing.

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Liezel
10/07/2013 17:30

I believe that the king's justice system is unfair. It's a 50% chance, you either die, or get married. If a person is innocent, and opens the door that held the tiger, he didn't have the chance to prove he was innocent. As what Michael said, if a robber or a murder opened the door that held the bride, he wouldn't learn his lesson. He might go back to what he did before.

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Claire
10/07/2013 18:25

I completely agree with what you said, Leizel. The person on trial would have no chance to prove innocent which could result in his death. The justice system is in all words, unfair.

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Claire
10/07/2013 18:23

I think that the king's justice system is completely unfair. Choosing from two doors can't prove if you innocent or not, it's all chance. You could be guilty but then get lucky and open the door with the lady or you could be innocent yet get attacked by the tiger. There is no fairness to it. I think it was a smart idea for the king (who it seems doesn't understand that choosing a door cannot prove innocence or guilt) to decide whether one is innocent or guilty.

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Shelanee
10/07/2013 18:37

I very much agree with you Claire. There really is no fairness in the the king's Justice system because it doesn't really prove anything. It's all pure chance. You either get lucky or die.

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Gregory
10/07/2013 18:39

I agree with what you said. You could just get lucky even if you are guilty and be let off scott-free. It makes no sense and I am happy this isn't real.

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Victoria
10/07/2013 22:35

I agree with you Claire. The king does this because he does not know another way to tell if one is true or are lying. They can be said to be innocent or guilt even if they are the complete opposite.

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Gregory
10/07/2013 18:37

I do not believe the king's justice system is fair whatsoever. A good system is not based off chance. What if the accused is actually innocent, or what if you just let a mass-murderer go perfectly fine and not to mention the fact you just gave him a wife (or future partner in crime). This doesn't prove your innocence or guilt at all, it just proves how stupid the king is. Also, if you are innocent you don't get to prove your innocence.

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Paula
10/07/2013 21:08

I completely agree to this. The fact that a criminal being let free or an innocent person being punished is ridiculous. As you said, it would be horible to give someone, such as a killer, a partner as a "reward" because two things could happen. First, the partner could become a horrible killer too and help the other, or the partner could become the next victim of the killer let free.

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Shelanee
10/07/2013 18:44

I do not believe that the king's Justice system is fair. What if someone is wrongly accused? It really isn't a fair system whatsoever because the decision is based off of pure chance. There is a one to two probability that the man will live. The is a strong likelihood that the man will not get a fair justice. the king should have been more smart in his system of Justice.

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Caroline
10/07/2013 18:52

I agree with you. I also think that it is based of of pure chance. Also that it seems unfair for the person who is not guilty. Yes, the king should've been more smart about his system of justice.

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Valerie
10/07/2013 18:57

I completely agree with you. The person could not be able to get fair justice. As you said, it is all based off pure chance, you die or you don't.

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Katherine Lund
10/07/2013 18:44

I think that the King's justice system is unfair. The system does not prove innocence or guilt and only gives satisfaction to the King. If an innocent man opens the door of the tiger, he is immediately killed and not allowed further judgement. If a guilty man opens the door of the bride, he is rewarded for a crime.

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Nick Sweetland
10/07/2013 18:58

I agree with everyone in that it's all up to chance, but I think Kate has a point because the kings justice system doesn't prove anything, which is the whole point of a justice system.

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Aoife
10/07/2013 19:52

I agree with Katherine because the point of a trial is to determine innocence or guilt but here even the innocent are punished or the guilty rewarded.

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Caroline
10/07/2013 18:45

I think that the king's justice system is unfair. It's all by luck and chance. For example, if you're guilty and you open the door which has the lady in it then you'll get rewarded by getting married to her and you will have no punishment or if you're not guilty and you open the door with the tiger and get devoured and you lose your life. Also if the guilty man was lucky and got to marry the lady then he wouldn't have earned his punishment and he might continue doing whatever he did wrong. Also, the fact that if the guy who was not guilty opened the door to the tiger has lost his life without even having a chance to prove his innocence.

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Valerie
10/07/2013 18:52

The king’s way of disciplining people was completely unfair. He placed the person who he thought did wrong into an arena for his own enjoyment. The person would then choose for himself which door to open. One door had a beautiful woman for him to immediately marry, and another had a vicious tiger which would immediately eat him. Of course it is completely unfair to throw someone in an arena and make themselves decide what their future holds.

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Katherine
10/07/2013 18:52

I agree with you Caroline. As you stated, "The system is all by luck and chance." Whatever happens...happens.

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Nick Sweetland
10/07/2013 18:54

I don't believe that it is a fair justice system because it is left up to chance. Even if the accused is innocent, there's a 50% chance he could get mauled by a hungry tiger. If the accused person is guilty, he could still live a happy life. A true justice system would consider what the accused person has done and make a judgement based off that, but this is left up to chance.

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Bryan Dionisio
10/07/2013 19:00

Yeah Nick I agree with you, a true justice system would be based on their actions not from a game of chance. Your answer is well thought out and I like your connection with other facts about a "fair" justice system.

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Tyler Yatsko
10/07/2013 19:10

I completely agree. It's not even fair and a man's life isn't worth risking just for entertainment. Well said.

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Grant
10/07/2013 18:58

I for one do not think that the kings justice system is fair because if someone where to do something so bad like kill a person, then by luck gets married for a punishment. That's not fair. Same thing for if someone does something not so bad like push down someone and then gets killed by a tiger for his action. That's again not fair.

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Grant
10/07/2013 19:01

I am with you on that one Nick S. because like you said it is a 50 50 chance you will end up alive or dead for mabey something that you did very wrong or something that you did that wasn't so wrong.

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Bryan Dionisio
10/07/2013 18:59

I think the king's justice system is not fair because you have a 50% chnace of living and dying. Also, over the years the king switches the tiger from one room to the next. This justice system is not considered ''fair'' because it is a game of chance. You live happily with your new wife or you die brutally by a tiger. There is no logic in your choice for all there is the frightening aspect of dying.

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Jordan
10/07/2013 19:09

I agree with Bryan and the 50% chance of living or dying. There is no logic of picking a door and think you are going to live with someone you don't know or dying a horrible death.

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Audrey
10/07/2013 19:01

I do think that the system is unfair because the guilty and the innocent can all die being killed by the tiger. Even if the guilty man was guilty, being devoured by a tiger is not always necessary because if the man had only done a small crime, death should not be the case.

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Jordan
10/07/2013 19:05

I think that the Kings justice system is unfair because the man who is going to open one of the door could be guilty or innocent, we don't know. If the man is killed and he is innocent it is pointless andhe man did nothing wrong. If the man is guiltily and he is married he might be unhappy with who he marry's but he doesn't die or punished for his crime.

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Tyler Yatsko
10/07/2013 19:12

I like how you pointed out that even if the man opens the door with the lady, he might be forced into an unhappy marriage so it's pretty much a lose-lose situation.

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Skye
10/07/2013 20:40

I agree Jordan that its not right for the wrong person to get rewarded or punished. It should be based on actions taken before the picking or doors.

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Tyler Yatsko
10/07/2013 19:08

I do not think the justice system is fair at all. If a man is completely innocent he could get mauled by a tiger because of bad luck and a murderer could get married and set free to live a happy life. Also, not every crime should deserve the death penalty. If a person were to steal something they should deserved to die such a painful death. It doesn't even prove that a man is innocent or guilty, just lucky or unlucky and the price is their life.

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Adriana
10/07/2013 19:27

I agree with Tyler the reason why is because it does not prove if the person is guilty or not it is just showing that the king thinks of it as entertainment

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Andrew H
10/07/2013 19:34

I agree with Tyler if someone does a crime they should not be rewarded and same thing with an innocent person they should not be put to death.

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Aoife
10/07/2013 19:10

I think the king's justice system is completely unfair because it does not prove guilt or innocence. Opening the right door is completely up to chance. Getting killed by a tiger or marrying someone even if you are already married are both extremes. These aren't real trials because nothing is taken into consideration or proven.

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Sophia
10/07/2013 19:13

I do not believe that the king's justice system in "The Lady, or the Tiger" is fair. What we are looking at is a system based off of chance. The person being accused for the "crime" can be innocent, but then choose the tiger and thought guilty, while the guilty man could get the door with the Lady and therefore, be not punished, but REWARDED for his crimes in that system. The justice system should be more fair than the 50/50 chance that one could possibly die when innocent.

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Adriana
10/07/2013 19:24

I believe that the Kings System is completely unfair the reason is because there can be no real proof that if the citizen was guilty or not guilty. This would lead to the choice what if the man is not guilty and chooses the tiger he will be slaughtered for crime that has not been really discussed of proven

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Allison
10/07/2013 19:33

I do agree with Adriana that the King's System is unfair. It is unfair for a man to be forced in to getting mauled by a tiger or being forced into unfair marriage. It doesn't really prove if a man is guilty or innocent.

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Andrew H
10/07/2013 19:32

I believe that the kings justice system is not at all fair. If someone did a crime and had good luck they would pick the woman and would get married, and a person who is innocent has bad luck they might pick the tiger and die. For some things the death penalty is not always necessary.

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Allison
10/07/2013 19:42

The King's Justice System is unfair. Their is 50% chance of getting slaughtered or forced into marriage. This is all based on luck. For example, if the man was innocent, and chose the door to be mauled by the tiger, it's not right. If the man was guilty and chosen the door to be married, the man can simply continue his bad ways and won't learn his lesson.

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Nick E.
10/07/2013 19:52

I agree that The King's Justice system is a little unfair because you hold your own life in your hands. You can either be slaughtered by a big, mean, hungry tiger or you can be forced into a marriage you never wanted to be in. You can be rewarded even when you are guilty or you can be killed by a tiger when you are innocent.

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Nick Ettinger
10/07/2013 20:02

I agree with Sophia and Aoife because the guilty could be rewarded and the innocent could be punished for a crime that they never did or was a part of. They will never learn their lesson if they are rewarded for being bad or guilty.

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Michael
10/07/2013 20:02

I agree that everything is left up to chance, but Nilusha made a good point. If the criminal chose the bride he would have never been punished or learned his lesson.

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Isaac
10/07/2013 20:16

I agree with you Michael, if the criminal did something wrong but was rewarded with a wife he wouldn't learn his lesson and probably do the crime again.

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Isaac
10/07/2013 20:06

I do not agree with the king's system because this does not prove anything, choosing the door is just a chance of luck, this trial does not prove either innocents or guilt, this system should become more fair than a 50% chance of death when this person could be innocent.

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Tony N
10/07/2013 20:25

I agree with you Isaac this system of Justice the king has set forth is not proving or showing who is innocent or guilty this pure luck you either choose the door with the tiger or the door with girl. No skill involved.

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Skye Henry
10/07/2013 20:38

I dont think this justice system is fair because justice is the quality of being fair. This system doesn't matter if you are truly innocent or guilty. I don't think its not right that a guilty person picks the one with a girl and is rewarded for picking the right door. People should be punished for bad things and good people should just be left alone.This system is very unfair. It should be done on the actions taken not by bad or good luck.

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Tony N
10/07/2013 20:43

The system of Justice is not a very just way to decide wether someone is guilty or innocent it is not logical and has nothing to do with the man/woman being accused. It wasn't planned out very well because someone who had done a crime and was accused of doing it chose the door with the lady the person who made the crime wouldn't learn his lesson and probably continue to do more crimes.

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Nathan
10/07/2013 21:33

I agree with you Tony Norton, as it is not logical to prove one's guilt or innocence through chance. Your life could depend on picking one door, as if you pick the wrong door, you might be severely mauled by a fierce tiger. The king should be more wiser and gather with others to prove one's guilt or innocence.

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Isabella Silva
10/07/2013 20:58

The king's barbaric method of administering justice is unfair because the prisoner doesn't have the right to a trial and to be judged under a legal system. The same punishment and reward is given to all prisoners despite the level of crime. Justice is not imparted by knowledgeable people but by chance, all this to delight the king.

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Diego Avitia
10/08/2013 19:07

I agree that this is unfair because the accused does not have a voice in the way were you are found guilty and no evidence but chance.

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Sean
10/07/2013 21:03

I think the king's justice system is not fair. It's actually a really bad justice system because it's to reliant on chance and chance is not always right. For example the criminal can get away with the bride and vise versa. I think it's more of a source of entertainment (especially for the King).

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Paula
10/07/2013 21:04

I believe that the kings justice system isn't fair. This is simply because it is a 50/50 chance of either being punished and dying or being rewarded by marriage. This just proves the luck that the person on trial has, it includes no truth or skill. Along with other post, I don't believe that it is correct for there to be a possibility of the innocent being punished and the guilty being rewarded. In a true justice system, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. To be proven guilty, if they are, there has to be support presented at the trial. In the kings justice system there is no room for any evidence of the person being guilty or innocent.

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Nathan
10/07/2013 21:30

I believe the king's system of justice is completely unfair for several reasons. First of all, if some is put to trial, his chance of living is 50%, as he might get obliterated by the tiger and put to death. If someone was innocent and chose the door with the tiger, this would result in an unfair death. If someone was guilty for a crime, and chose the door with the lady, this would not prove the bad actions he/she did. This system if of chance, and should be of deliberation. I believe a court should gather and make a decision, to prove one's innocence or guilt.

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Victoria
10/07/2013 22:31

I do not think that the king's justice system is fair. There is no way of proving that someone is guilty or innocent by performing this action. The only thing this shows is how lucky you are. If you are guilty and choose the lady, you are rewarding yourself with the crime you committed. If you are innocent and choose the door with the tiger, your life is being take away from you in an instant. Also, if you are innocent and choose the lady, but have a wife at home, your normal and happy life is gone. You have to marry the new woman. There is no real way of knowing your future until the choosing. You also cannot have a proving and supporting point on why you are innocent or pretend to be innocent. It is a way for the king to enjoy himself with a little show. Everything happens right after you choose your door.

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Andrew S.C
10/08/2013 04:41

The kings justice is not very fair because when the king says the criminal has his own life in his hands he really doesn't. He doesn't know whether he will die or live but if he truly had his life in his own hands he would know which one to pick if he wanted to live or die. This also is fair for a innocent man who choses right door but already has a loving family and wife, and as the story said the king will not allow such matters to interfere.

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Ben Aralar
10/08/2013 11:48

I think that the King's justice system is fair. I think it is fair because they are the ones who choose their own fate when they choose between the two doors. Also in times back then they didn't come up with other justice systems that sounded fair.

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Diego Avitia
10/08/2013 19:04

I do not believe the kings justice system is very fair. His justice system is more important for him than the people of his kingdom. He uses it as entertainment and for control. It's decision of innocence and guilt is more built on chance. You have a 50/50 chance you live or die. If being innocent you are married you are still married to the lady behind the door.this creates a way for people to be separated from families and criminals to learn their lesson.

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Cammie
10/08/2013 22:39

I do not think that the king's justice system is fair. I believe that a justice system should be based on the evidence, only the facts, unlike any aspect of the king's justice court. The king's way of judging whether or not the suspect was guilty or innocent was based on luck. There was a fifty percent chance of livening or dying. Death should not be a solution in any case, but the king believes that the suspects fate was in the gods hands. If he was killed, the king perceived it as the gods punishment for the suspect being guilty.

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